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I've been a Dolphins fan since 1976 when I was 8 years old and just beginning to follow the NFL. My favorite player was Bob Griese, with Tony Nathan and A. J. Duhe not far behind. When not following the 'Fins (in the NFL) or FAU (in college) I'm writing about films and TV at my blog, The Horn Section ( http://hornsection.blogspot.com/ ), and trying my hand in the poker tournament world a few times per year...

Double down? Sure–with Flynn.

I'd rather take a risk with a guy the head coach is familiar with.

The conventional wisdom according to the South Florida media seems to be that the Miami Dolphins will be “doubling down” at quarterback, signing Peyton Manning after his inevitable parting from the Colts and then drafting a young QB high (Tannehill?) to lock up the position for the foreseeable future.

I agree with the concept, but not the proposed puzzle pieces.

Manning is 36.  He’s also coming off a neck injury that may affect his arm strength from here on out.  Optimistically, the nerve might regenerate at the rate of about an inch per month, if you trust your handy-dandy online medical information:

http://nerve.wustl.edu/NerveInjury.pdf

But just because the nerve regenerates and he is able to throw doesn’t mean he’ll be making the same throws he made in his younger days and prior to multiple neck surgeries.  Optimistically, you get one or two more good years at best out of Manning before his skills decline anyway due to age, and that’s the best case scenario.  The worst case scenario is Dan Marino in 1999, leading the league in pick sixes trying to make the same throws he made five years earlier.

If we’re going to take a risk, I’d rather take it with a guy who has already been working with our head coach for four years, not a guy playing in a West Coast system for the first time.  A guy who’s 26, not 36.  A guy who has had talented passers in front of him for years but has looked really impressive every time he’s had the chance to play.  Of course, I’m talking about free agent Matt Flynn of the Packers.

The similarities between Matt Flynn, 2012 and Matt Hasselbeck, 2001 are startling.  Both four year veterans taken late in the draft as afterthoughts (Flynn, 7th round in 2008; Hasselbeck, 6th round in 1998).  Both played behind a future Hall of Famer and Super Bowl winner in Green Bay for four years while developing.  Both beat out higher draft picks to win the backup job in Green Bay (who remembers Brian Brohm was the Packers’ second round pick in 2008, one pick ahead of Chad Henne?).

And, if Philbin pounds the table for Flynn and the Dolphins win the bidding, you can add one more parallel: he’d be playing for the coach who developed him, as Holmgren was the coach when Hasselbeck was drafted.  It’s the difference between the Matts and other high profile backups who struggled in new surroundings.  So what if he’s a “system quarterback” if he’s going to be playing in that system?

Hasselbeck’s career in Seattle didn’t really get moving until halfway through his second season, but once he got it going, five consecutive playoff appearances (six total) followed, including a Super Bowl.  He was 36 before he moved on (to start in Tennessee) but Seattle got the quarterback position solved for nearly a full decade, with a five year window of Super Bowl contention included.  In the NFL of 2011, all you can ask for is an invitation to the dance, as the sixth-seeded Giants have proven not once but twice in five years now.

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Belichick or Shula – What Will History’s Verdict be?

Don Shula is the NFL's winningest coach.

I was inspired to write this article by a recent debate in the FinNation forums: with New England making its fifth Super Bowl in 11 years with Bill Belichick, is the 60 year old Patriots legend now officially the greatest coach in NFL history?

My answer is simple.  Shula gets my vote as the best coach ever, every time.   Consider the objective evidence:

Shula won 73 percent of his games over a 23 year period from 1963-1985. He averaged 11 wins per year during that time frame, and for two-thirds of it the schedule was either 12 or 14 regular season games. No other coach can claim that level of sustained, consistent excellence for that long.

Imagine someone averaging 12-4 for 23 years, because that’s what it would take to do it now.  Oh, and if our hypothetical coach managed to do that, he’d have 276 wins—meaning he’d still need 71 more wins, or, if you prefer, six more 12 win seasons to pass Don Shula on the all time wins list.

True, the backers of Belichick, Lombardi and Noll will tell you there’s more to it than just compiling victories.  Indeed, there is, and during that same 23 year time period, Shula got his team to the league championship game 7 times.  In other words, he got his team to the championship game/Super Bowl once every 3 years for over two decades.   Think that’ll ever happen again?  To be fair, Belichick has a shot to match The Don…..IF he can get to two more Super Bowls in the next 6 years (he’s coached 17 seasons to date).

But with Tom Brady being 35 next season and also being the only quarterback that Belichick has ever gone to a Super Bowl with, I’d say the odds are against it.  Let’s now look at the coaches of the last 50 years who might logically be considered Hall of Famers and/or Shula’s peers, and the starting quarterbacks on their Super Bowl and/or NFL Championship teams:

  • Landry: Staubach (4), Morton (1)
  • Noll: Bradshaw only
  • Belicheck: Brady only
  • Walsh: Montana only
  • Vermeil: Jaworski (1), Warner (1)
  • Parcells: Simms (2), Bledsoe (1). (Maybe you could make an argument for Hostetler instead of the 2nd Simms, but Simms started 75% of that season before he was injured)
  • Seifert: Montana and Young once apiece.
  • Reeves: Elway (3), Chandler (1)
  • Shanahan: Elway twice.
  • Coughlin: Manning twice.
  • Ewbank: Unitas and Namath.
  • Cowher: O’Donnell and Big Ben.
  • Lombardi: Starr was the QB each time.

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Fish to the Fish?

Is Jeff Fisher the right man for the job?

Mentioning Jeff Fisher’s name as a potential head coach for the Miami Dolphins doesn’t resonate that much with fans when no fewer than 3 Super Bowl winners are available, with a 4th potentially available in Tom Coughlin depending on what happens Sunday.  But if Jeff Ireland has already cinched a return in 2012 as many suspect, Fisher may be the best candidate willing to work with the incumbent GM.

Is that such a bad thing?  Recent history suggests it may not be.

While no coach has ever won a Super Bowl with two different teams, several coaches who got close at their first stop managed to climb the mountain at a second NFL stop.  Tony Dungy made it to the NFC Championship Game in 1999, losing to those same Rams.  After 4 playoff appearances without a win in Tampa, he won a Super Bowl in Indy in 2006.

Tom Coughlin was the losing coach in the 1999 AFC Championship Game, losing to Fisher’s Titans (the only team the Jags lost to that year; they were 15-0 against the rest of the league and 0-3 vs. Tennessee).  That was as close as he came in 4 playoff chances in Jacksonville, but Coughlin won the Super Bowl with the Giants, his second team, in 2007.

Come to think of it, the winning coach in that 1999 Super Bowl, Dick Vermeil, was another coach who led several Eagles’ teams to the playoffs at his first stop, and even made it to Super Bowl 15, losing to the Raiders.  He got the job done in St. Louis when the Rams’ Mike Jones tackled WR Kevin Dyson to preserve a 23-16 win over Fisher’s Titans.

Fisher’s the only coach left from that quartet of conference championship coaches in ’99 who has yet to win his Super Bowl.  To be fair, he’s also the only one yet to arrive at his second NFL stop, where the other three succeeded.

Is he too old at 53?  Vermeil was 63 when he won, Dungy was 51, and Coughlin was 61.  Considering that Cowher is older and Gruden a mere five years younger, Fisher shouldn’t automatically be disqualified.  Speaking of Gruden, he’s another coach who came close at his first NFL stop (Oakland), making the AFC Championship Game in 2000, and became a champion at his second stop in Tampa Bay.

If one wants to go way back, the NFL’s winningest coach was another guy who fit the criteria.  Don Shula lost his Super Bowl in Baltimore.  Of course, he fared a bit better in Miami.

I’m not sold on the seemingly certain return of Jeff Ireland, and Fisher has his detractors despite winning 147 games and making it to two Conference Championship Games in Tennessee.   But this much is certain: the Dolphins will have recent history and team history on their side if Fisher ends up being the guy.  After the last dozen years, I’ll take all the positive history I can get.

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